The Bulwark Podcast

Chris Hayes: Trump Has Become 'The Establishment'

Tuesday, November 11, 2025

While Trump won the first time as an anti-status-quo hero, the low-trust podcast cranks like Rogan and Tim Dillon who put him back in the White House now see him as the establishment. And they’re making Trump own the economy, the security state of masked marauders and bombing campaigns—and his close ties to the tech companies.